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who they might be able to negotiate, including lindsey graham. let's listen to what senator graham had to say. >> he's calling people, this is how you solve hard problems. he's working the phones, talking about, you know, following up on that, and how can we get more people in the mix. so what i see from the president is incredibly encouraging. maybe because of sequestration and frustration with the public. the time is right to act and what i see from the president is probably the most encouraging engagement on a big issue i've seen since the early years of his presidency. >> how long was your conversation? >> he wants to do the big deal. i think to get our democratic friends to move on entitlements, we're going to have to move on revenue by flattening the tax code, eliminating deductions, and preserving some of that money for the debt. i just think we know what to do, we know how to end this, what the big deal should be made of. >> jared, does that sound like a big opening to you, with lindsey graham, something of a breakthrough, when he says, w
who they might be able to negotiate, including lindsey graham. let's listen to what senator graham had to say. >> he's calling people, this is how you solve hard problems. he's working the phones, talking about, you know, following up on that, and how can we get more people in the mix. so what i see from the president is incredibly encouraging. maybe because of sequestration and frustration with the public. the time is right to act and what i see from the president is probably the most...
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>> he's got lindsey grahams digits. >> the president asked that i get together a group. >> 11 public senators. >> i was honored. >> you know lindsey graham is ready. >> in the coming days and weerks i'm going to continue reaching out. >> he's absolutely determined to get something done. >> the gop has been tagged the party of no. >> now you have speaker boehner saying -- >> the president got his tax hikes. he got his tax hikes. the president got his tax hikes. >> there is still incentive among a lot of republicans to not cooperate with this president. >> all they really need is a hug and a lunch. >> i wish he had done more of that over the years. >> president obama is not their mom. >> where this goes, i don't know. >> there is a caucus of common sense in the coming days and coming weeks. i'm going to keep on reaching out. >> i've been relatively fair to barack obama. >> he doesn't do anything. >> it's jack what you're saying. ztz he >> he's not trying to solve the fiscal cliff. now i'm really angry. >>> president obama has just finished a working dinner with 12 republican senators,
>> he's got lindsey grahams digits. >> the president asked that i get together a group. >> 11 public senators. >> i was honored. >> you know lindsey graham is ready. >> in the coming days and weerks i'm going to continue reaching out. >> he's absolutely determined to get something done. >> the gop has been tagged the party of no. >> now you have speaker boehner saying -- >> the president got his tax hikes. he got his tax hikes. the...
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lindsey graham commented on putting the group together. let's listen to lindsey graham. >> how do you say no to the president of the united states who would like to have dinner with some of your colleagues? you don't. when the president asked that i get together a group, i willingly and i was honored to try to do that. where this goes, i don't know. >> see how to explain the whole thing. almost apologizing for meeting with the president. the president will meet separately with the democratic and republican caucuses in both the house and the senate. joining me right now nia-malika henderson who covers all this. and former mayor willie brown. thank you for joining us. i want to talk about the appearance of this and the reality of this, which is more important? >> it is the appearance of it. for all reasons fall beyond anything we can ever fathom, this is the kind of thing that should have been done from the first day that the president was elected. he should have been able to develop a relationship with every person holding office one on one
lindsey graham commented on putting the group together. let's listen to lindsey graham. >> how do you say no to the president of the united states who would like to have dinner with some of your colleagues? you don't. when the president asked that i get together a group, i willingly and i was honored to try to do that. where this goes, i don't know. >> see how to explain the whole thing. almost apologizing for meeting with the president. the president will meet separately with the...
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although lindsey graham is also up for re-election. it is about trying to put a patchwork together. to not keep repeating the same issues. as richard point the out, you can't make him a one-term president anymore, so put that playbook away. start where we are now. positions people held over the last several years, some of it's relevant, some it not as much. you sort of have to be in the moment, and there is an urgency about trying to get a long-term deal. i think they've taken so many swings that the and failed, people are approaching it with a different attitude. at least some of the group that was a part of this last night. giving them all credit for sitting down, the president did make this happen. they went and attended. we heard from speaker boehner today about the ryan lunch saying he is not taking any message from me. the speaker thoroughly appreciates the fact that the president is talking to members, not just going through leadership. you know, we can make this a data point of bipart sfwlanship in what will be a long set of negotiations. >> we will take as many data points
although lindsey graham is also up for re-election. it is about trying to put a patchwork together. to not keep repeating the same issues. as richard point the out, you can't make him a one-term president anymore, so put that playbook away. start where we are now. positions people held over the last several years, some of it's relevant, some it not as much. you sort of have to be in the moment, and there is an urgency about trying to get a long-term deal. i think they've taken so many swings...
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kelly ayotte and lindsey graham. what the white house is hoping to do is try to generate momentum or at least a conversation among some of the rank and file republicans. the reality is at a certain point he needs the republican leadership. he can't completely avoid having conversations with them. >> chris: whatever the president's motivation, the real question is, is there any basis for a deal here? is there a bridge that can be crossed on this? i was struck listening to paul ryan. he has obama care being repealed. he still wants the medicare structural reform. the premium supports. as he called it. others call it vouchers. i know the white house they at the talk about tax reform as opposed to ryan talk about keeping the rates up. not low aring rates just doing away with the loopholes so it is another tax increase. is there a deal there? >> i think it as cass many and the president picked lindsey graham to be the one to put the dinner together for a reason. he said he is open to new revenues which, of course, conserv
kelly ayotte and lindsey graham. what the white house is hoping to do is try to generate momentum or at least a conversation among some of the rank and file republicans. the reality is at a certain point he needs the republican leadership. he can't completely avoid having conversations with them. >> chris: whatever the president's motivation, the real question is, is there any basis for a deal here? is there a bridge that can be crossed on this? i was struck listening to paul ryan. he has...
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i believe lindsey graham put together the dinner list. i think it was very smartly done because you had both conservative and moderate republicans in that room. which would breed some trust on the outside, that everybody was represented. i think that what the president is trying to do, the common-sense caucus that, you know, talking points coming out of the white house on this, there's no other option. the leadership doesn't have control of their caucuses. it's been proven time and time and time again. the president knows that. those folks in the white house know that. john boehner can't get a deal done because he doesn't have the support of his caucus. so let's go to the members of that caucus who could potentially put a deal together. there's no other option. this is the way it has to be done. and i think it's very smart what he's doing. >> michael steele, do you have an incisive analytical comment to make disguised as a question? >> no. look, i picked myself up off the floor after reading gene's piece this morning. you know, gene, brot
i believe lindsey graham put together the dinner list. i think it was very smartly done because you had both conservative and moderate republicans in that room. which would breed some trust on the outside, that everybody was represented. i think that what the president is trying to do, the common-sense caucus that, you know, talking points coming out of the white house on this, there's no other option. the leadership doesn't have control of their caucuses. it's been proven time and time and...
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lindsey graham had a response to that today. here it is. >> to my party, i'm a bit disappointed that you no longer apparently think we're at war. not senator paul. he's a man to himself. he has a view that i don't think is a republican view. i think is a legitimately held libertarian view. >> is this where the republican party is headed, a libertarian cam. and a traditional camp? i mean, the hypocrisy of, you know, a couple of these senators getting up, standing with rand paul on this. probably just to keep the filibuster going. but it just seems that they have really identified to the american people they've got an identity crisis, they don't even know where they stand on the use of military action if they've got the wrong president in there. >> look, certainly you have the libertarian camp and the national security camp for lack of a better word. rand paul versus mccain you're talking about. but look at now the immigration thing. some of them are coming out saying we need to change that. a lot of them are saying no, under no c
lindsey graham had a response to that today. here it is. >> to my party, i'm a bit disappointed that you no longer apparently think we're at war. not senator paul. he's a man to himself. he has a view that i don't think is a republican view. i think is a legitimately held libertarian view. >> is this where the republican party is headed, a libertarian cam. and a traditional camp? i mean, the hypocrisy of, you know, a couple of these senators getting up, standing with rand paul on...
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now, lindsey graham said i fully support the administration's opinion on drones overseas and suppose we had patriot missiles available, a military solution on 9/11, we would have taken those planes out, yes, we would have lost the lives on the plane, but saved the lives in the building. sometimes you can't rule out the military, even in the u.s., and he and holder agree on that. as i say, no member of the judiciary committee today where he was testifying completely said no, we shouldn't use drones in the u.s. against an american citizen. >> there's some people holding up signs protesting drones, there's a contingent of people that believe it immoral, yet in every public poll, this is the rare thing which partisans tend to agree, 60%, 70% support the use of drones to get suspected terrorists. how much do the politics of this play in, pete, that politicians are well aware that this is a policy that is wildly popular in the country. in terms of developing strictures and further rules and asking for more information? >> i think that may be part of it, but this is something that doesn't g
now, lindsey graham said i fully support the administration's opinion on drones overseas and suppose we had patriot missiles available, a military solution on 9/11, we would have taken those planes out, yes, we would have lost the lives on the plane, but saved the lives in the building. sometimes you can't rule out the military, even in the u.s., and he and holder agree on that. as i say, no member of the judiciary committee today where he was testifying completely said no, we shouldn't use...
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this is all in reference to the president's drone program, but john mccain and lindsey graham coming out in support of what the president has done, lindsey graham calling into question where were republicans during president bush's administration when they were using drones. joining me on set is ayman mull ha dean, you know firsthand from the work you've doane overseas, so we have the house judiciary committee, scheduled toic take up this conversation as well, certainly transparency is something that we want, but when we hear senator mccain mentioning the u.s. citizen that was killed in 2011, there was an op-ed piece in "wall street journal" "wall street journal" talking about what it means to be an enemy combatant. he was considered to be an enemy combatant, but in yemen. can a drone be used here if an enemy combatant is on american soil here. how will the conversation go? >> i think these are fundamental questions that have not been debated in the united states when it comes to applies the drone policy overseas. this is part of the criticism that many have against the united states
this is all in reference to the president's drone program, but john mccain and lindsey graham coming out in support of what the president has done, lindsey graham calling into question where were republicans during president bush's administration when they were using drones. joining me on set is ayman mull ha dean, you know firsthand from the work you've doane overseas, so we have the house judiciary committee, scheduled toic take up this conversation as well, certainly transparency is...
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that's the real lindsey graham/rand paul divide. and that's why in some ways democrats can't say this but they're actually quietly ok with the sequester. what it does is it cuts defense in a way -- the political process would not be able to do. obviously obama has always wanted this grand bargain. the politics is not been able to work for it. but he's also said -- chris: isn't this the bargain? isn't this second best solution by both sigh, this sequester? >> yes. chris: is this the solution? >> if the depresses demand too much -- chris: it's not doing that apparently. >> if it doesn't, i'm all for it. >> there's a possibility to adjust among different budget counts talking to people who run our military services, talking to people in the intelligence community, they do have real problems and they're not going to be able to watch a spy satellite. they're having trouble juggling ship positions. chris: my question goes back to you, is there incentive enough for both parties to give, real gliv until it hurts? the fact the republicans ha
that's the real lindsey graham/rand paul divide. and that's why in some ways democrats can't say this but they're actually quietly ok with the sequester. what it does is it cuts defense in a way -- the political process would not be able to do. obviously obama has always wanted this grand bargain. the politics is not been able to work for it. but he's also said -- chris: isn't this the bargain? isn't this second best solution by both sigh, this sequester? >> yes. chris: is this the...
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and those are going to be attending this dinner tonight have been invited by the president lindsey graham really made this guest list. these are republican who is are perceived as being open or at least willing to talk about compromise when it comes to the budget issues when it comes to averting the sequester. also it's important to open to compromise to things like immigration reform, gun control. those are some of the items that are going to be on the agenda. but certainly the budget, a grand bargain will be the main course at tonight's dinner when president obama sits down with those 12 republicans. but, of course, this is sort of a larger outreach than we have seen in the past. we expect it to continue in the coming days and weeks. martin. >> kristen welker at the white house, thank you. here in new york is josh barrow and professor james peterson. professor, the president challenging critics who call him aloof and disengaged reaching out to the opposing side offering what's expected to be a real plan of entitlement cuts and new revenues. could tonight be the start of something big? >
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graham. we have former president george to be bush advisor. this is heavy-duty he takes a much criticism. >> is mr. poole was to be taken seriously, he needs to do more than full political stunts to fire up pressure of libertarian kids of the college dorm. gerri: come on. this is a surprising ran paul would object to the use of drums by the government. is this a serious political statement or stunt? >> i think he's a comparable we're so used to politicians and not for the state's people to stand up and now is there to mavericks' in washington? [laughter] gerri: there is a conflagration between the rotarians and old-fashioned republicans, a country club republicans loggerhead can they come together? >> we need to to win but senator paul also has yet to crisis. republican not there is no two-party committed don't run as individuals, a new centralized leadership, so they played the card of republican. gerri: comeeon. here is what john mccain said to the huffington post. he called them what go bi
graham. we have former president george to be bush advisor. this is heavy-duty he takes a much criticism. >> is mr. poole was to be taken seriously, he needs to do more than full political stunts to fire up pressure of libertarian kids of the college dorm. gerri: come on. this is a surprising ran paul would object to the use of drums by the government. is this a serious political statement or stunt? >> i think he's a comparable we're so used to politicians and not for the state's...
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lindsey graham offered some background yesterday afternoon. >> the president called senator mccain and myself a couple of weeks ago, and senator mccain was his opponent, as you all thou know, in 2008. i see the president reaching out. the dinner that was supposed to be quiet is sad that it makes news. >> he's right about that. graham's closest friends were on the list. graham also included republican senators who have a particular interest in the budget debate, so that included pat toomey. graham is the only senator up for re-election in 2014. miguel rodriguez was there. vice president biden, not at the dinner. maybe this is the start of a new outreach. in his first term, mr. obama's outreach to republicans was sporadic at best and though the president bristles when that's pointed out -- >> i promise you, we invite folks from congress over here all the time. and when they choose to come, i enjoy their company. sometimes they don't choose to come, and that has to do with the fact that i think they don't consider the optics useful for them politically. >> the fact of the matter is the wh
lindsey graham offered some background yesterday afternoon. >> the president called senator mccain and myself a couple of weeks ago, and senator mccain was his opponent, as you all thou know, in 2008. i see the president reaching out. the dinner that was supposed to be quiet is sad that it makes news. >> he's right about that. graham's closest friends were on the list. graham also included republican senators who have a particular interest in the budget debate, so that included pat...
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you saw him have john mccain and lindsey graham in for a private conversation this week. to me that was a very good sign. it's very important that they keep talking to each other and maybe on some issues like immigration they can make some progress. >> and, eugene, politically speaking the white house already starting to lay plans for what's going to happen in 2014. they need 17 seats to take control. that's a tall order. it would have to be clinton-like in terms of its achievement. >> it's a very tall order, particularly after redistricting has made a lot of safe districts for the republican majority. it's very difficult to draw a map and look at it and see how they pick up those 17 seats. then again, we're getting used to some pretty big swings in the house. >> no doubt. >> and not all anticipated. >> thank you. >> it happens. >> thank you. >> you gene robinson. thank you, jonathan alter. >>> up next, it's happened yet again, the right wing falls for another story without checking into whether it's true. this is "hardball," the place for politics. her recipe with sharon
you saw him have john mccain and lindsey graham in for a private conversation this week. to me that was a very good sign. it's very important that they keep talking to each other and maybe on some issues like immigration they can make some progress. >> and, eugene, politically speaking the white house already starting to lay plans for what's going to happen in 2014. they need 17 seats to take control. that's a tall order. it would have to be clinton-like in terms of its achievement....
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old guard is mccain, lindsey graham, mitch mcconnell. i got to say, guys, when you look at it, the republicans, conservatives who would you rather have going forward representing you? the new young bucks -- they got it going on. by the way, for the record, mr. mccain after all this came out and said he thought rand paul was wrong for doing what he did. scratching my head all day why don't you embrace the young guys instead of continueed infighting? >> kimberly: it's interesting how it is lined up with who is pro and con versus a display of democracy. so what do you think about it? young guns? young bucks? what does this happen on libertarian island? >> greg: i'm still thinking 12 hours without peeing. that is a leak the white house is happy about. the big story here is not about the old or the new guard in my opinion. it's turning president obama to dean wermer. he is the bad guy in the animal house franchise. it's a movie, actually. obama generally was the cape crusadeer for justice and ho now is perceived as petulant hypocrite. that is
old guard is mccain, lindsey graham, mitch mcconnell. i got to say, guys, when you look at it, the republicans, conservatives who would you rather have going forward representing you? the new young bucks -- they got it going on. by the way, for the record, mr. mccain after all this came out and said he thought rand paul was wrong for doing what he did. scratching my head all day why don't you embrace the young guys instead of continueed infighting? >> kimberly: it's interesting how it is...
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john's day has come and gone, lindsey graham has got to fight to get reelected. lou: do you think he'll get reelected? >> i think he's got a tough primary. at the end of the day, it's not a bad thing to have change, but i think these yog people, basically, are going to become significant leaders of the new tea party, whatever it may be, but it's going to be a very significant party, and we need, basically, energy in our party, and they will create energy. lou: a south dakota law, matt, i want to bring this up with you, a south dakota law will allow teachers to have guns in classrooms, specifically allowing teachers to carry firearms. other states have provisions, you know, that they can be armed. what's your reaction? >> well, i think it's great. i hope texas does the same thing. i think they're absolutely doing the right thing. they will give
john's day has come and gone, lindsey graham has got to fight to get reelected. lou: do you think he'll get reelected? >> i think he's got a tough primary. at the end of the day, it's not a bad thing to have change, but i think these yog people, basically, are going to become significant leaders of the new tea party, whatever it may be, but it's going to be a very significant party, and we need, basically, energy in our party, and they will create energy. lou: a south dakota law, matt, i...
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senators lindsey graham and john mccain launched their own drone strike against paul. >> we have done, i think, a disservice to a lot of americans by making them believe that somehow they are in danger from their government. they are not. i don't think what happened yesterday is helpful to the american people. what we saw yesterday is going to give ammunition to those critics who say that the rules of the senate are being abused. i hope that my colleagues on this side of the aisle will take that into consideration. >> to take this debate into the absurd is what i object to. >> laura: now, don't get me wrong. they have the right to disagree with paul and the majority of g.o.p. senators who stood with him. but, given that the filibuster lasted 13 hours, why didn't either of them have the moxxy to debate their colleague face to face on the senate floor? what were they afraid of? presumably they could have done so either before or after their dinner with the president. were they jealous that a junior senator dominated the headlines and managed to galvanize left and right? are they worried
senators lindsey graham and john mccain launched their own drone strike against paul. >> we have done, i think, a disservice to a lot of americans by making them believe that somehow they are in danger from their government. they are not. i don't think what happened yesterday is helpful to the american people. what we saw yesterday is going to give ammunition to those critics who say that the rules of the senate are being abused. i hope that my colleagues on this side of the aisle will...
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area hotel and will include john mccain, lindsey graham and others. the president will go have lunch with mitch mcconnell. >> i expect the president to talk to various members. i wish he had done more than that over the years. all of us very limited interaction with the president and he is certainly doesn't have to go through me to recall my members. >> democratic congresswoman maxine waters from california, the top-ranking democrat. thank you for your time. i top the get your reaction to rand paul and the filibuster we are watching play out there. >> obstructionists. i know that this kind of trying to stop the president from having the people that he would like to carry out the various jobs and these agencies is absolutely li dickulous. this director is very much needed. for him to commit himself to filibustering for as long as it takes is a kind of destructive action that needs to stop in the congress of the united states of america. >> moving forward to the president having dinner tonight, weather permitting as we understand, what do you make of th
area hotel and will include john mccain, lindsey graham and others. the president will go have lunch with mitch mcconnell. >> i expect the president to talk to various members. i wish he had done more than that over the years. all of us very limited interaction with the president and he is certainly doesn't have to go through me to recall my members. >> democratic congresswoman maxine waters from california, the top-ranking democrat. thank you for your time. i top the get your...
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the fact that he is saying that lindsey graham has suggested the same thing. paul ryan is sitting at home trying to figure out a way to balance the budget in ten years. >> i think it is a good thing in taking that revenue and putting it and not using it to combat the deficit. >> it sounds like they are saying let's use some of it for deficit reduction. >> that is tiny. >> i guess it is. to me, it seems like the line has been in the last month. it was the line before the revenues got passed. we can't talk about any tax some every time that is invoked in the context of revenue, i will only discuss it in the context of opening up the tax code of being litigated and legislated in which case nothing is going to done. >> if they can figure out a way around it, the bush tax cuts were a lowering taxes because they doubled them on january 1st. if there was a way to make them about combatting the deficit and saying this is a tax hike, i feel like they could be baited into a tax hike. if it is plausible to get more revenue it is going to have to be in the context of call
the fact that he is saying that lindsey graham has suggested the same thing. paul ryan is sitting at home trying to figure out a way to balance the budget in ten years. >> i think it is a good thing in taking that revenue and putting it and not using it to combat the deficit. >> it sounds like they are saying let's use some of it for deficit reduction. >> that is tiny. >> i guess it is. to me, it seems like the line has been in the last month. it was the line before the...
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mitch mcconnell's filibuster -- and john mccain and lindsey graham were screaming for these because they were saying this is a national security emergency. at least give the executive more discretion. mitch mcconnell himself stopped both those bills along with the democratic bill. harry reid said i'll give you two republican bills if you'll just let us vote on this one democratic replace bill. i think that the republican party has allowed the rand paul wing to trump the national security wing. absolutely. >> there's another piece to that, though. the continuing resolution is something that sounds like everybody has agreed not to fight over. in large part, i think from the right because it's going to give the pentagon more leeway to decide where these cuts happen, and so everybody can agree, okay, republicans get what they want. the president doesn't want to renegotiate or relitigate another budget fight three weeks after this one. i just doubt, you know -- i doubt that we're going to actually see any movement on this at all before 2014. i mean, i think that the sequester is going to happ
mitch mcconnell's filibuster -- and john mccain and lindsey graham were screaming for these because they were saying this is a national security emergency. at least give the executive more discretion. mitch mcconnell himself stopped both those bills along with the democratic bill. harry reid said i'll give you two republican bills if you'll just let us vote on this one democratic replace bill. i think that the republican party has allowed the rand paul wing to trump the national security wing....
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john cornyn, kelly ayote, mitch mcconnell, lindsey graham, john mccain. they all came out and said it was an outrage, they say the right decision of course would be to ship the guy to guantanamo. they say that it so much better. they say now he is in federal custody, of course he will not talk. he will clam up. the obama administration blew it. i should also mention now that along with charging the federal suspect in court today, the prosecutors also submitted as evidence 22 pages of statements that osama bin laden's son-in-law has made to federal law enforcement officials since he was arrested. but still, everybody freak out. double guantanamo. maybe that will help you get re-elected if you ever have to go back in a time machine to run for office again in 2004. with the spark miles card from capital one, bjorn earns unlimited rewards for his small business. take these bags to room 12 please. [ garth ] bjorn's small business earns double miles on every purchase every day. produce delivery. [ bjorn ] just put it on my spark card. [ garth ] why settle for l
john cornyn, kelly ayote, mitch mcconnell, lindsey graham, john mccain. they all came out and said it was an outrage, they say the right decision of course would be to ship the guy to guantanamo. they say that it so much better. they say now he is in federal custody, of course he will not talk. he will clam up. the obama administration blew it. i should also mention now that along with charging the federal suspect in court today, the prosecutors also submitted as evidence 22 pages of statements...
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john mccain, lindsey graham and suzanne collins. you only get to filibuster in extraordinary circumstances. and the three remaining parties to that deal in the senate this week, all voted to filibuster. caitlin halligan, saying extraordinary circumstances. >> do not get me started. because this deal that was entered into by republicans and democrats enabled republican nominees to be sent to the d.c. circuit. and we now have the situation where we've got the d.c. circuit in the hands of republican-pointed judges. this is important because we see -- >> after five years of a democratic -- >> yeah. >> we see invalidated air pollution rules. invalidated warning labels on cigarette packages, invalidated s.e.c. labels. republicans know that their judges on the d.c. circuit are going to do their bidding. it's plain and simple. and therefore, they are going to block any candidate to the d.c. circuit. it's a matter of maintaining -- >> so why are they winning? why do they win? why do they get more? >> because democrats are undisciplined. seri
john mccain, lindsey graham and suzanne collins. you only get to filibuster in extraordinary circumstances. and the three remaining parties to that deal in the senate this week, all voted to filibuster. caitlin halligan, saying extraordinary circumstances. >> do not get me started. because this deal that was entered into by republicans and democrats enabled republican nominees to be sent to the d.c. circuit. and we now have the situation where we've got the d.c. circuit in the hands of...
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in 2014, will this be the undoing of linds lindsey graham splil career? maybe not. shifted the terms of debate within the republican party and you've seen a lot of main stream republicans, including marco rubio, mitch mcconnell join with rand paul and that was an important moment and we'll see how that plays out in the coming years. >>> we'll take a quick break and pay some bills. back in a moment with a look at 42 at doma and what that mix might mean for marriage equality. this is msnbc, the place for politics. max and penny kept our bookstore exciting and would always come to my rescue. but as time passed, i started to notice max just wasn't himself. and i knew he'd feel better if he lost a little weight. so i switched to purina cat chow healthy weight formula. i just fed the recommended amount... and they both loved the taste. after a few months max's "special powers" returned... and i got my hero back. purina cat chow healthy weight. for the things you can't wash, freshen them with febreze. ♪ because febreze doesn't just cover up odors... it penetrates deep in
in 2014, will this be the undoing of linds lindsey graham splil career? maybe not. shifted the terms of debate within the republican party and you've seen a lot of main stream republicans, including marco rubio, mitch mcconnell join with rand paul and that was an important moment and we'll see how that plays out in the coming years. >>> we'll take a quick break and pay some bills. back in a moment with a look at 42 at doma and what that mix might mean for marriage equality. this is...
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. >>> and rand paul's 2016 star may be rising while john mccain and lindsey graham may be in deep you know what with conservatives. hey, this is challenger. i'll be waiting for you in stall 5. it confirms your reservation and the location your car is in, the moment you land. it's just another way you'll be traveling at the speed of hertz. i'm here in your home, having a pretty spectacular tuesday. ♪ but i don't notice the loose rug at the top of your stairs. and that's about to become an issue for me. ♪ and if you got the wrong home insurance coverage, my medical bills could get expensive. so get allstate. [ dennis ] good hands. good home. make sure you have the right home protection. talk to an allstate agent. so we created the extraordinarily comfortable sleep number experience. a collection of innovations designed around a bed with dualair technology that allows you
. >>> and rand paul's 2016 star may be rising while john mccain and lindsey graham may be in deep you know what with conservatives. hey, this is challenger. i'll be waiting for you in stall 5. it confirms your reservation and the location your car is in, the moment you land. it's just another way you'll be traveling at the speed of hertz. i'm here in your home, having a pretty spectacular tuesday. ♪ but i don't notice the loose rug at the top of your stairs. and that's about to...
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graham, are putting down rand paul because he isn't one of them and he dared to question the use of u.s. military power in this case against individual citizens. where are you, a man of the left, on this one? >> well, on the subject of drones, and this is a very interesting thing to watch this divide among the republicans whereas you say the establishment, which is reflexively pro-military on the republican side, is running up against the new tea party republicans who aren't so reflexively pro-military who are ideologically libertarian and see threats to civil liberties where some progressive lefties might also. i, too, am troubled like rand paul -- like a stopped clock occasionally he's right, and on the use of drones -- >> i used that phrase yesterday. did you watch last night because i said a broken clock is right twice a day. >> i didn't see that. great minds think alike. >> it's yours, too. let me go to cynthia -- if you want to finish that thought, go ahead. rand paul can be pretty wacky. he's talking about the united states government hitting somebody in a cafe. i imagine a c
graham, are putting down rand paul because he isn't one of them and he dared to question the use of u.s. military power in this case against individual citizens. where are you, a man of the left, on this one? >> well, on the subject of drones, and this is a very interesting thing to watch this divide among the republicans whereas you say the establishment, which is reflexively pro-military on the republican side, is running up against the new tea party republicans who aren't so...
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next thing you know, he picks up the phone and calls lindsey graham and says, can you get a bunch of guys together for supper? >> yeah, listen. i understand that. those are valid observations. i think you're absolutely right. the president and the administration went way overboard unpredicting the apom lips of the waste -- apocalypse and i think most americans get they can trim 1% without the end of civilization. i think it's constructive that we'll achieve the savings of the sequester. i have think better still, we're going to do it in a more sensible way than the way the underlying law did it but capture the savings and have discretionary spending cut back to where it was before president obama took office, i think. and so that's progress. but it's the small stuff. we need pro growth tax reform. we need to get on a sustainable fiscal path. i think it's flawed policy in washington that's the reason our economy is so weak right now. >> brian: let me tell you what some left wing columnists are saying. this shows mitch mcconnell is not representing you the right way and there are some
next thing you know, he picks up the phone and calls lindsey graham and says, can you get a bunch of guys together for supper? >> yeah, listen. i understand that. those are valid observations. i think you're absolutely right. the president and the administration went way overboard unpredicting the apom lips of the waste -- apocalypse and i think most americans get they can trim 1% without the end of civilization. i think it's constructive that we'll achieve the savings of the sequester. i...
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so did his pal lindsey graham. but john mccain starts walling them wacko and wacko birds. the people that were around rand paul around that. mike leigh, ted cruz. is there a change now? is john mccain too far out there and this is the new group that's going to run the senate and the gop? >> i don't know. i like rand paul. he's a very intelligent guy. he made some good points. but he does look -- i hate to say, he can look a little nutty. and anytime anybody talks for 12 hours you're going to look nutty. and it's the old guard who have been ineffective. they've lost the white house. listening to them for the last couple of elections. there's this new guard who i don't think has really accomplished much of anything. you get the middle guard. the middle guard are guys like chris christie. governors, mcdonnell in virginia. governors who have really accomplished things. and those are who we should be listening to. those should be the models for the gop. >> blake, let me ask you the same question. want to add some important names. around rand paul directly that night was mike le
so did his pal lindsey graham. but john mccain starts walling them wacko and wacko birds. the people that were around rand paul around that. mike leigh, ted cruz. is there a change now? is john mccain too far out there and this is the new group that's going to run the senate and the gop? >> i don't know. i like rand paul. he's a very intelligent guy. he made some good points. but he does look -- i hate to say, he can look a little nutty. and anytime anybody talks for 12 hours you're going...
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. >> lindsey graham made it clear to me that in exchange for major entitlement reform, social security, medicare, medicaid, he would support what's called a grand bargain and include major tax reform that could potentially increase tax revenues but you've got to have a big package deal. would you go along with that? >> i don't know what the plan is. i don't know what the list is. i'm serving on the finance committee. we're having a hearing tomorrow. the president's on the air every other whipstitch blaming republicans we just want to eliminate these taxes for the rich. what is he talking about? he's been talking about on the campaign trail shutting down the oil and gas industry in kansas, shutting down agriculture, lending institutions, et cetera, et cetera, all sorts of executive orders and regulations. in terms of tax reform and the loopholes, where are they? what's the plan? where's the list? >> well, would you be able to get into negotiations? >> i'm always ready to get into negotiations. i know numbers are important but the policy is an important as well. yeah, we want to do that.
. >> lindsey graham made it clear to me that in exchange for major entitlement reform, social security, medicare, medicaid, he would support what's called a grand bargain and include major tax reform that could potentially increase tax revenues but you've got to have a big package deal. would you go along with that? >> i don't know what the plan is. i don't know what the list is. i'm serving on the finance committee. we're having a hearing tomorrow. the president's on the air every...
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graham of south carolina said he's open to that. take a listen. >> to me this is a bipartisan problem. this is the chance to do the big deal. i'm willing to raise revenue. i'm willing to raise $600 billion in new revenue if my democratic friends would be willing to reform entitlements and we can fix sequestration together. >> why not go for the big deal at this point? you mentioned the president's position earlier. his position always was $2 or $3 in spending cuts for every dollar in revenue. right now you're going at a rate of $4 in spending cuts for every dollar in new revenue. are you prepared to sit down and talk about a much bigger deal? >> well, george, what the president is now -- what he pushed recently in the senate this week, the 85 billion small deal with tax increases, that's not going to work. if we're going to increase revenue again, it's got to go to the debt with real entitlement reform and real tax reform when you actually lower rates, and i thinkg that none of that has been in this discussion, so absolutely i think
graham of south carolina said he's open to that. take a listen. >> to me this is a bipartisan problem. this is the chance to do the big deal. i'm willing to raise revenue. i'm willing to raise $600 billion in new revenue if my democratic friends would be willing to reform entitlements and we can fix sequestration together. >> why not go for the big deal at this point? you mentioned the president's position earlier. his position always was $2 or $3 in spending cuts for every dollar...
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now, you see today that republicans like lindsey graham and john mccain are making rand paul pay the price for what happened. >> megyn: they are not happy at all. they think his behavior was offensive and insulting and raising an issue they don't think is a real one and demeans the presidency by suggesting that he would at random kill americans sitting in a cafe. >> and i might submit that that's the reason rand paul was where he was last night and why senator graham was where he was last night dining with the president. you don't get access, don't get influence, don't get to be part of the discussion behind closed doors in washington d.c. making a stink, being the skunk at the garden party, like rand paul did. however, rand paul can count this on his side. the american people didn't like washington and didn't like cut out of the process that this new brand of populous libertarian style of populace in the republican party may have currency and may make him a contending for 2016. >> megyn: you look out the window behind you and literally we're expecting to see the pigs fly. what he di
now, you see today that republicans like lindsey graham and john mccain are making rand paul pay the price for what happened. >> megyn: they are not happy at all. they think his behavior was offensive and insulting and raising an issue they don't think is a real one and demeans the presidency by suggesting that he would at random kill americans sitting in a cafe. >> and i might submit that that's the reason rand paul was where he was last night and why senator graham was where he...
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well, senator lindsey graham who is working to craft legislation on the issue said the proposal outlined in mr. bush's book, quote, undercuts what we're trying to do. but governor bush seemed to change his stance somewhat during a series of recent interviews prompting tough criticism from senate majority leader harry reid. >> let's wait for a few minutes and see how jeb bush changes his mind again. his opinion on immigration is not evolving. it's devolving. he keeps going backwards. i think he's frankly made a fool of himself the last 24 hours. frankly, on this issue, i don't think jeb bush is a florida leader. i think marco rubio is. bush has been elected to nothing lately. rubio is the leader on immigration. >> okay. joe, a new poll by latino decisions shows immigration reform is by far the most important issue for hispanic voters. that's by the economy and jobs, education and health care. >> john heilemann, let's talk, john heilemann, about your next book. bush -- "game change 2016." i think this may have to be the opening scene of jeb getting out of a cab in the middle of the dark, y
well, senator lindsey graham who is working to craft legislation on the issue said the proposal outlined in mr. bush's book, quote, undercuts what we're trying to do. but governor bush seemed to change his stance somewhat during a series of recent interviews prompting tough criticism from senate majority leader harry reid. >> let's wait for a few minutes and see how jeb bush changes his mind again. his opinion on immigration is not evolving. it's devolving. he keeps going backwards. i...
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we have many of my uncle's former colleagues senator chris dodd lindsey graham olympia snowe and thad cochran as well as members of congress and active people elaine jones, we have a good group of lawyers and non-lawyers. >> i'm dieing. who won? >> this year -- we're going to announce it? >> yeah. >> we had our big discussion this week and it's gabrielle giffords. >> what a choice. >> why her? >> i think one of the things that obviously everybody knows of her tremendous incredible courage. the fact she went through this obviously horrendous tragedy and has recommitted herself to the political process i think is something that is really inspiring. obviously for anybody in public life who is willing to do that because it is tough these days. i think for people just in their own lives to see that kind of courage in somebody who is just willing to persevere and keep fighting no matter what happens. >> the people who have been nominated, do they know they irp in the running or do you call them and they pick up the phone and it's you on the other end of the line. >> i had such a wonderful c
we have many of my uncle's former colleagues senator chris dodd lindsey graham olympia snowe and thad cochran as well as members of congress and active people elaine jones, we have a good group of lawyers and non-lawyers. >> i'm dieing. who won? >> this year -- we're going to announce it? >> yeah. >> we had our big discussion this week and it's gabrielle giffords. >> what a choice. >> why her? >> i think one of the things that obviously everybody knows...
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. >> some people, senator lindsey graham, for instance, is saying we can still get a grand bargain. he wants the president and the speaker to go back to where they were back in 2011 and pick that up and deal with entitlements and perhaps more revenues because of closing loopholes. should your party come to the table on the issue of increased revenues? >> you know, i think it's a little hard to imagine after january where the highest -- the biggest tax increase in american history took place and then go back to say we have a revenue problem. i think the focus -- >> no wiggle room there at all? >> there may be. if the president's sincere about dealing with our structural problems. but the thing that we could all agree on is how do we create high sustained economic growth for starters, and how can we get back to a degree of normalcy where, like, budgets are passed? i'm not talking about ten-year estimations, but going to the new normal being the house and the senate pass a budget and there's a compromise and the president signs it into law. >> this all gets to the dynamic in washington
. >> some people, senator lindsey graham, for instance, is saying we can still get a grand bargain. he wants the president and the speaker to go back to where they were back in 2011 and pick that up and deal with entitlements and perhaps more revenues because of closing loopholes. should your party come to the table on the issue of increased revenues? >> you know, i think it's a little hard to imagine after january where the highest -- the biggest tax increase in american history...
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. >> listen to senator lindsey graham. he himself is an attorney. he's very much opposed to the decision to send him to new york. he thought this was an enemy combatant who belonged in guantanamo bay before a military tribunal. listen to senator graham. >> to the administration, why did you not send this person to guantanamo bay to be held as an enemy combatant for intelligence-gathering purposes? i have been firm against torture but i do believe that guantanamo bay is a secure military facility that provides this country a great asset and we've received a lot of information from guantanamo bay detainees. >> as you remember, the uproar a few years ago when they were thinking of sending sheikh mohammed to be tried before a civil court in new york. that eventually was reversed. what do you think about the pros and cons legally speaking? >> well, it is true that there is a major difference between the two in terms of interrogation. in a criminal court where he is now, he will receive a lawyer who will undoubted he will say, stop talking to prosecutors.
. >> listen to senator lindsey graham. he himself is an attorney. he's very much opposed to the decision to send him to new york. he thought this was an enemy combatant who belonged in guantanamo bay before a military tribunal. listen to senator graham. >> to the administration, why did you not send this person to guantanamo bay to be held as an enemy combatant for intelligence-gathering purposes? i have been firm against torture but i do believe that guantanamo bay is a secure...